Category: Let's talk
Recently i experienced something that confused and amazed me in equal measure I was waiting for a bus when an elderly woman I'd known for several years appeared she spoke to me and Introduced herself as Chrissie...fine you might think ...but Chrissie had been dead! For several months I was stunned and asked Ardeth who was also gobsmacked, to confirm this she did and we spoke about our plans for christmas ect.
Ardeth had seen Chrissie getting off a bus and heading to where she used to live a few days before this encounter and on that occasion she couldn't believe her eyes, another neighbour passed us and said "hello Chris" so obviously she was visible to everyone except me this experience has confirmed what I have always thought we do not just crumble to dust the human spirit/soul call it what you will can and does, survive bodily death and we feel extremely privilaged to have spoken to someone who was no longer with us as a living being.
I have a number of theories where the soul goes. I haven't decided which is the correct one. Maybe they are all right. Sure, I believe the whole heaven and hell things, but I've been fairly recently opened to the idea of the recycling of souls. Have you ever felt like you have known some one for years, and had just recently met them? The connection must be deeper than a aquinceadent.
Don't believe a word of it...
Lady if you want to pm me I'd be interested in hearing these theories.
Why do you believe the heaven and hell propaganda dont you think they are too contrived and designed to frighten the living in to behaving...I havent felt that have you all the same several weird things have happened which at the time I couldn't explain.
well I like to keep an open mind on the after life, part of me thinks that maybe when you die that's it, but like I said, I keep an open mind on it, and that's in case there is one and I miss out on it! lol
thats a good way of looking at it .smile
I used to think that heaven and hell was the only way to go, but you can't help but wonder. There has to be more for the soul than what is taught to us as children. I do believe in God, but I'm open to other thoughts on where your soul goes. I like to think that I had a pass life, and the people I know in this life, might have been my sister, my brother or friend in another life time. That sounds more appealing to me.
well I think that heaven, and hell, can be different for everyone. I'm not sure I believe in them, but I think that if they do exist, I don't think that heaven is a glowing place with angels and light and that hell is a pit of fire, I think that it is more a case that heaven is the greatest thing you could ever imagine, and of course this could be different for everyone, for example, for one person heaven could be a bar with lots of cocktails sitting on a beach somewhere exotic, whereas for someone else this could be hell ... get my meaning? so heaven would be your greatest dream come true, whereas hell could be your worst nightmare
Lady I think we are conditioned to believe that heaven and hell are our only options..but I have noticed a real shift towards spirituality in the form of a growing interest in the paranormal and its healthy that people are looking elsewhere though sometimes they use this interest in the sane way as religion they need something comforting to believe in.
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Sugar that's the problem we are told through out our lives that heaven/hell are exactly as you described there is very little deviation in the image.But I understand what your saying..
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Also something has just struck me I got the impression that as crazy as it sounds Chrissie was not aware that she was dead this is entirely possible some people just die without being aware of it actually happening and when they are told by a psychic it leads to enormous trauma
Yes I remember that theory being discussed on Talksport once on the sports breakfast with alan brazil and Mike Parry. The dead don't realise they are dead, or some of them at least, and carry on as if nothing had happened. Goblin I do think that some of the stuff you come out with about our being ruled through fear by being taught about notions of heaven and hell are a little behind the times; about 400 years behind the times as it happens. to put it another way, you sound like you're writing the first draft of one of the many pamphlets that did the rounds during the renaissance. Heaven and hell is just as plausible a theory as any other. I've no idea where the soul goes myself, and will keep an open mind, but I would prefer it to be a land of tasty food, a good ale on tap, endless cricket test matches and one-day internationals both to watch and participate in, and comfy sofas. i also see being dead as a great excuse not to get up in the morning, so I for one will not be the disembodied spirit who carries on as though I were still alive.
Hah, good one ll. Recently I heard a radio program that open a new idea of the earth being hollo. Maybe that is the after life. A world with in a world. Hmmmm, perhaps.
Perhaps, or maybe there's no afterlife at all. I mean, after toiling away for some 77 years on average in this world, paying our taxes, working and everything of that sort, I'd imagine you'd be pretty weary and deserve a bit of a break. so maybe it's just like a jolly good lie-in before you're recycled into another liffe or life form or whatever. Oh dear, oops, I've reopened the reincarnation can of worms now and people are gonna start getting all serious! Never mind, if you feel the urge to get serious, check out the talking to children topic and create a pair of fantasy parents as I have.
'I also see being dead as a great excuse not to get up in the morning'...I like that one LL, not so sure about the endless cricket matches though hmmmm, endless chocolate fountains perhaps? Frey.
Yeah thanks for reminding me, endless chocolate fountains, and a good high street containing chinese, Thai, Indian and Italian restaurants, plus a couple of good old British boozers doing top quality pub food, a chip shop, a beefeater, and a dog track complete with those baskets of chicken and chips. Also a good bakers which did both cakes and pies, as well as those wonderful grande coffees. Now that's heaven for you! On the same subject i.e. heaven, why on earth did Jony Mitchel have such an objection to the fact that they paved paradise to put up a parking lot? Didn't she consider that it might eleviate congestion at the pearly gates? Probably not, because it clearly doesn't fit in with her rather one-sided, blinkered view of the world.
Did this really happen, Goblin? How amazing! I've never had anything like that happen!
Caitlin
You should have attempted to get some info out of her on what is to come old lad, so we can make a valued judgment as to whether it's really worth it or whether we should volunteer ourselves to be frozen until such time as science has advanced that it may bring back to life those servants whom the lord now lettest depart in peace, according to thy word, for mine eyes hath seen thy salvation, which thou hast prepared before the face of all people, to be a light, to lighten the gentiles, and to be the glory of thy people, Israel. Sorry got carried away there, a bit like Jony Mitchel with her worries about the destruction of paradise's greenfield sites.
Could you repeat that? Gosh, LL, you always make me feel so confused!
I see now the source of your confusion caitlyn. it is, I fancy, due to my tendency to move from subject to subject without much of a preamble. So from the afterlife, to what we would like to see in heaven, to what we would not like to see, to whether Jony Mitchel was right to complain about paving paradise to put up a parking lot in her eighties single 'Big Yellow taxi'. Now I don't think she was right, but I'm sure the celestial branch of Greenpeace were happy with her. The residents of paradise were no doubt greatful for their parking lot. Oh I forgot I mentioned the nunc dimittis in my last post as well, it is a wonderful piece and on ein which i had the honour to sing the tenor solo at Worcester cathedral in days of yore.
Ah, okay LL, I'm a bit less confused now. Thank you. Lol.
Caitlin
Well rather than speculate what happens to me after I die, I think I'd rather find out. Check out www.ronthephilosopher.org to see what I'm talking about.
we could just kill you and you couuld find out that way.
Caitlin, of course it didn't really happen! Just another one of Gobby's tortured fantasies eh hmmm? LL I think perhaps less drastic measures are called for in this instance? Frey.
I still want to know why there's such a problem with paving paradise to put up a parking lot! Why doesn't Jony Mitchel come on here and face up to the consequences of her ill-considered vendetta against celestial motorists?
LL of course you can't pave paradise and put up a parking lot it would just completely ruin paradise wouldn't it! Paradise has no cars.. Frey.
No cars? How are you supposed to get about the place then? And where will Jeremy clarkson ggo when he dies if there are no cars in Paradise? There obviously are cars in Paradise, otherwise we wouldn't even need to discuss whether they should pave paradise to put up a parking lot.
Yes Caitlin this event is entirely reality
LL.Jeremy Clarkson is coming with me we plan to "live" in a villa in the hills above Maranello in N.Italy where Ferrari test their cars for handling ect and just think finally I will be able to satisy every 1 of my petrol head fantasies! Plus big Jezza what more does a bisexual spirit need..
Lol Fre! It didn't happen? Lol. And LL, yeah, we could kill Blink183, but that wouldn't be nice, would it? Lol!
Caitlin
I do agree, though. Who cares about when you die, what happens? Just live and enjoy it!
Personally don't see Jeremy Clarkson going to paradise, he would bore the arse off everyone up there and be sent downstairs quick smart! Jeez if bisexuals fantasise about Jeremy they must be desparate...Frey.
Agreed there, freya. But I still don't see what the objection is: if there was planning permission for this parking lot, another issue Jony Mitchel fails to consider, then what's the problem? Don't tell me that Paradise is full of protesters who invade celestial buildings and interrupt the choirs of angels singing because they can't use the democratic channels? Is the Heavenly Times filled with headlines about a journalist getting into Jesus' bedroom by posing as a police officer or other such security scares? I'll stay here I think, at least I know where I am here.
Or maybe Jeremy clarkson getting into our saviour's bedroom......Goblin are you jealous yet? Seriously, if you're fantasy is Jeremy Clarkson you should get out more old lad!
Oh dear now I expect the fundamentalist lobby who have read that last post about our saviour's bedroom are now on to the attorney-general demanding the Lawlord's heart be brought to them on a stake. Oh well, you win some, you lose some I guess, and Goblin must have lost a few if Jeremy Clarkson's his only hope.
Ewwwe, LL's heart on a stake. Don't make me sick! JKJKJK! I'm not grossed out by these things. I doubt there's any fundamentalist lobbies on here though. Rotfl.
Caitlin
Caitlyn if you ever see Jeremy Clarkson on the TV, you'll realise why it worries us UK zoners that Goblin has some sort of afterlife fantasy about him.
He's 1 of them yes a real petrolhead with a great sense of humour who doesnt take himself too seriously and adores Ferrari need I say more.
LL.I had no idea you were so superficial that's 1 more out the window...
LL superficial! Never utter those two words in the same sentence....au contraire I propose that it is Boglin and Jeremy who are the highly superficial ones in this case milud! Evidence from my learned counsel Mr Lawlord please. Freya QC
So superficial? It was yourself who brought sexuality into the mix, not I! You really are a comical nutcase and just remember to clean the farari up afterwards all right? I do not propose, Your Honour, to tender any further evidence as in my submission it is manifestly clear from that which has thus bar been presented to the court that there is no case to answer, and that properly directed, the only conclusion that a reasonable tribunal could reach is that neither Lawlord nor indeed Freya are superficial, and that in fact he who makes the accusation is the most superficial of them all.
'What more does a bisexual spirit need?' not my words, old boy, but thine. Nobody believes a word he says anymore, as Ian Duncan Smith used to say in that rather annoying fashion.
And therefore your Honour I have decided to sentence him to 5 thousand hours community service cleaning the above mentioned J Clarkson's cars and polishing them until they shine like new....Now get on with it Gobby or you'll be thrown into the cells! Hmph Freya QC
A comical nutcase hmm I like that and am I not free to fantasise over whomever I choose also the word is FERRARI.
Well there's no need to be soo angry about it old chap I was merely making an observation, you after all chose to insult the man due to his looks,I would take that as superficial I on the other hand respect J.C as a person.
LL.Are you calling me a liar! You had better be sure of your evidence pal damned sure.
Or what, Goblin, or what? You going to sue me for libel? If so, don't forget to observe the provisions of the pre-action protocol before you sue. And bear in mind that if you do sue, your fantasies about Jeremy Clarkson will have to be aired in public at trial, and I'm sure you wouldn't want that. besides, my comments would be considered fair comment so I would have a defence, and in any case I wouldn't be liable in any event as it is not I who am publishing the comments; the website does that.
I care not about my fantasies they are the least of my worries, calling me a liar is a scurrilous accusation and only the lowest of the low would fall so far.Fair comment!? would you recognise such a thing I doubt that very much..and your excuse that the website is to blame and not yourself, is beyond pathetic more a case of the big boy did it and ran away..
It's not an excuse, Goblin, but he who asserts, must prove. If you post back on here tomorrow detailing the point at which I call you a liar, I shall consider withdrawing whichever allegation you take exception to and apologising. At the moment, though, I can't see what I've done wrong apart from make a few harmless jokes. AT your expense yes, but if I got as upset like you do every time someone made a joke at my expense I'd have driven myself into an early grave by now! cheer up old lad! As far as my "excuse" in quotes is concerned, I merely pointed out that it is not I who broadcast the statements so that would be a defence to any action in libel, not just for me but for anyone. bEsides, you would find it impossible to prove that I had actually written or authorised any of the posts I have posted.
And I quote "no one believes a word he says" is that clear enough and I would like a apology an honest 1 unlike Harry's.
And I quote "no one believes a word he says" is that clear enough and I would like a apology an honest 1 unlike Harry's.
oh that? that wasn't directed at you. Just a gratuitous mantrer that Ian Duncan Smith used quite often and that I decided to gratuitously toss into the mix for no reason.
Boglin no-one does believe a word you say because YOU ARE A LIAR and I have proof even if LL doesn't...Hmmmm can't wait for 'Ally' to come back on board can you?
LL.I really have trouble believing a word you say.
Tough. Nothing I can do about that. I'm an unelected, unaccountable, despotic official.
The quiet man is here to stay, and he's turning up the volume. Sorry just another memorable quotation from Ian Duncan Smith. couldn't resist.
Lawlord you're completely wandering from the point now and trashing this discussion. If you go on like this it won't be long before you mention the Black Watch, bisexuals And Jeremy clarkson......Oops! Jackpot!
I've never heard of this Jeremy Clarkson or whatever his last name is, sorry. Lol. Hope to watch him on TV sometime. Or listen. Heheh.
Caitlin
He's presenter on a motoring programme called TOP GEAR I like the guy for his humour honesty his ability to take being made a fool off the way he's not afraid to push himself just to entertain the viewers I can only surmise that those who dislike him feel intimdated by his confident knowledge of his subject and superior driving ability, so they have to resort to cheap childish remarks in order to hide how they really feel.
LL.I'm still waiting on that apology or are you unable to be a man about this hmm its not the quiet man who has spoken but a spineless worm you lack the qualities you need to practice law integrity and honesty
no doubt you will deny all this however such a move will just compound my opinion of you.
LL.I'm still waiting on that apology or are you unable to be a man about this hmm its not the quiet man who has spoken but a spineless worm you lack the qualities you need to practice law integrity and honesty
no doubt you will deny all this however such a move will just compound my opinion of you.
Jeremy Clarkson is an over weight, over blown, big headed twit with an encylopedic knowledge of wait for it...cars the most boring subject on gods earth! Nobody with any ounce of intelligence would ever be intimidated by his knowledge of cars or his driving ability which thousands of other people share anyway. I do hope that LL doesnt mind if I say that I don't think you will get an apology from him as he has nothing to apologise for. He comes over as very honest indeed and has more integrity in his little finger than you Goblin and I speak from experience there...Frey. PS I believe the whole of the black watch are bisexual and have fantasies about Jeremy is that correct?
Now then now then now then, after today's dose of goblinian wrath let's go a little apraisal of the situation. Goblin, you say I lack the qualities to be a lawyer, but everyone in the legal world who matter say quite the opposite so you'll forgive me if I don't lose any sleep over your doubting my abilities. Secondly old lad, and correct me if I'm wrong, if I deny that I have no integrity, it will confirm to you that I'm dishonets, yet if I admit I have no integrity, you'll just say you were right all along. I can't win, can I? Next, don't forget that it was not I, mi' old geezer, who mentioned bisexual spirits. Nay, it was you, and I just took up the baton as it were and that is no double-entendre! Anyway I'm the only gay man in the village.
And Freya I am honoured by what you said, the feeling is of course mutual and I never thought to receive such commendation from you all those months ago during the exchanges about Borris Johnson, when as far as Goblin was concerned I couldn't put a foot wrong! Remember that time, Goblin old lad? And then Jeremy Clarkson and the Black Watch came along and the wheels fell off the boglinian bandwagon. I'll say this for him though, he is creative in that he fashions a new insult to throw at the Lawlord every time I incur his displeasure.
yet again hes backsliding its really incredible how he manages to live with himself,but then again that might just be the problem
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The only way you will recieve condemnation from your new pet is if you saw sense and banned her from your email and consequently ignored every word the imature headcase said,then you would recieve the same treatment I have been ignoring for months...some are just unable to grow up and move on her pathetic childish drivel is beyond reproach you 2 attention seekers deserve each other..
Immature has two M's, Goblin old lad. I don't ban anyone from my email, nor do I have anyone on my ignore list for anything unless they hold themselves out in a threatening posture by threatening violence, for instance. Other than that, the Lawlord keeps an open book and anyone can say anything to me and it will be read and acknowledged. That is, in my view, a very mature approach. You really must learn to live and let live a little, rather than victimising those who disagree with you. Even younger zoners have been targetted by you, Goblin, and that is dispicable behaviour and not the sort of behaviour I would expect from a man of your years and indeed from a man with a young child. I only hope he doesn't inherit that particular character trait of yours. I hope that one day you will realise, Goblin, that in order to be respected you must yourself both earn that respect and show it to others, rather than embarking on your ravings and labelling people as unintelligent, arrogant, incapable of holding intelligent discussions etc. and about Freya moving on, of course stricto sensu it's none of my business, but I notice that it is you and never she who keeps making that accusation. If you had really moved on yourself you would have let that one lie long ago. Give serious thought to your actions old lad.
Oh dear Boglin are we a little bit jealous that you are not LL's new pet just like me? You seem to have really lost it now as you are talking about yourself in that post up there, immature headcase and attention seeker sounds like a very apt description of the Boglin. And as for banning me from your email, absolutely no need for that old chap as I haven't attempted to send you an email for months and never intend to again...Frey.
Yes mi' old geezer, you'll forgive me for saying that you do act rather disproportionately to disagreement and end up making very ill-considered comments which in some cases are offensive, in some casees pure raving, in some cases bullying. needless to say, I can't see why you do.